odadune
Star of the item number
 
not around much due to stuff in my personal life.
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Favorite actor: Currently a certain Kumar, but I like most of them
Favorite actress: whoever's in films I'm interested in this week
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Post by odadune on Dec 7, 2013 6:54:00 GMT
Kayda Kanoon. (1993) Every now and again I get an urge to watch one of these terrible, b-grade unsubbed actioners from the 90s, preferably with a certain martial artist and fortunately there's about a zillion of them on youtube with said martial artist. This one has Anupam Kher as an elderly pacifist whom the youtube synopsis implied was involved in India's fight for independence and who is constantly scolding the cowboy cop played by Sudesh Berry and the disgraced ex-cowboy cop played by Akshay Kumar. This is one of Akshay's better performances of the period; as usual he's inconsistent when it comes to selling the more overwrought emotions, but he handles the quietly angsty bits rather well, and the moments where he's quietly angry are perhaps scarier precisely because this isn't Ajay or Salman or one of those other guys who seem perpetually mad at the world on general principle. Paresh Rawal is mildly amusing/menacing as an evil Congress politician, although it's not really anything he hasn't done in about five hundred other movies from this period.
The fight choreography is terrible; the best thing you can say about the movie in that regard is that if one of their male leads is capable of pulling off a lunging jump several feet long and follow it up immediately with a high spin kick and a low sweep kick, the camera man is kind enough to show you the whole thing in slow motion without any cuts. Actually the camera work is pretty good in general, much better than the editing or the script-you don't need subtitles to tell that the latter is pretty stupid. The one thing I will say for the film, like a couple of the other vigilante movies I've seen from this period, it feels like there's a real sense of anger at how broken the system is; it doesn't feel like they're going through the motions in that regard. There's a very catchy item number towards the end of the movie, and although the women suffer pretty horribly the story treats them slightly better than is usual for this kind of thing. There's a minor villainess played by Aruna Irani; a rape victim who manages to escape from the baddies, kill Aruna's character in self-defense in the process, tell her boyfriend that REVENGE is not the answer, and proceeds to testify in court (not that it turns out well, this being a vigilante movie, but points for trying); and another rape victim who survives the experience and later gets to marry/become engaged to Akshay's character (admittedly, this is due at least in part to her being a lookalike for his late wife, whose death he's haunted by) and survives the movie.
The other interesting thing was how many lookalikes there were in the cast. Aswini Bhave, playing Akki's love interest(s) looks slightly like Parineeti Chopra from certain angles, especially when she smiles. There was a gunda who was a dead ringer for the old-timey stunt coordinator and bit player Shetty, who I'm pretty sure had passed away already by the early 90s, a corrupt cop who looked kind of like a clean-shaven Neeraj Pandey with eviller eyebrows, and a drug dealer who sort of looked like Shahrukh Khan, at least with sunglasses on. Second hero Sudesh Berry was apparently a tv star of the period, but he looked something like an older, heavier version of Siddarth Malhotra (the co-lead from Student of the Year) and had very similar mannerisms. It was weird.
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Post by Ally Kumari on Dec 7, 2013 10:21:29 GMT
MannI sincerely, honestly believe that the ONLY thing that ever made indra Kumar´s films work was Madhuri Dixit. Apart from Dil, which I consider a good film, even if flawed, Beta and Raja were only bearable because of her awesomeness and talent, and everthing after that I have seen of his work just plain sucks. Mann is no different. A mopy Sati Savitri Manisha falls in love with a cheater and a liar because he loves his grandmom. And he completely changes overnight. How am I supposed to buy this? I was irked by more things in the story, but the greatest outrage was perhaps when Manisha says to the headmistress of the orphanage where she grew up, she doesn´t want to marry Anil Kapoor (whom I did not expect in the least to show up), and she is lectured on how she has no right to follow her heart and be actually honest with him, because, you know, there is a chace he might turn into a lunatic after that, and also because if she dares to refuse, nobody will ever marry a girl from an orphanage again. Like WTF. Logic has never really had place in Indra Kumar´s universe, while annoying over the top comedy thrived. Mann, which also stole a song or two from vintage European hits, is a confused movie trying to go from comedy into a tragic romance, much like Dil, but comedy is lame and tragic romance frustrating.
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odadune
Star of the item number
 
not around much due to stuff in my personal life.
Posts: 1,494
Favorite actor: Currently a certain Kumar, but I like most of them
Favorite actress: whoever's in films I'm interested in this week
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Post by odadune on Dec 8, 2013 2:10:38 GMT
International Khiladi. So I finally watched the dvd of this I had lying around, which means I'm free to buy more dvds of Indian films  . I enjoyed this alot when I saw it on youtube about 12 months and some change back, but I'm afraid I was overly effusive about it on the old forums: parts of it are kind of appalling if you're not familiar with this type of 90s Bollywood film, and other parts are just flat out appalling period. (I mean, it's a movie about a woman who frames her boyfriend on a false charge of rape, complete with false flashbacks to the event.* It's a movie where the boyfriend fights and kills ugly bikini-clad female wrestlers in hand-to-hand combat. It's a movie where the heroine gets beat up by her boyfriend's uncle's goons without the boyfriend's knowledge because the uncle thinks she knows the location of a police informant. It's a movie where the boyfriend, extremely confused and upset by the framed-on-rape-charges thing, tracks her down to Canada, and slaps her and shakes her up by way of demanding an explanation.) So I have to apologize to anyone who saw this under the influence of anything I've ever said about it, and didn't enjoy the experience.  Those of you who haven't seen it, please don't take anything I have said or will say as an endorsement or an encouragement to watch. That being said, I did enjoy this the second time around. Most of the objectionable parts and the boring parts signalled themselves far enough in advance to where I could fastforward easily, and the rest is weirdly fascinating in that "NOW what?" way that Saturday matinee serials often are. By the time the thoroughly absurd climax rolls around, I was ready to bellow DIL GARDEN GARDEN (which the subtitles render as "I am so exhilarated!") right along with Gulshan Grover. The scary thing is that this is a more cuddly, likable and arguably less messed-up film than its two immediate predecessors in the franchise: Sabse Bada Khiladi and Khiladiyon Ka Khiladi. *No, I'm not going to spoiler that part. The rape charges come up so early in the movie, that if you don't know or strongly suspect that things are not what they appear to by the time that comes up, the film is not worth proceeding with.
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Post by jabimetbollywood on Dec 8, 2013 19:06:07 GMT
ABCD Any Body Can Dance
Meh. It was an okay timepass. The script was so weak it was obvious that they were relying on the dance entertainment factor. Unfortunately for me, it wasn't my favorite kind of dancing. The finale was amazing, though.
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Post by ShantiSal on Dec 8, 2013 22:29:55 GMT
Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam - the location scenes for the 'Italy' part were so obviously not filmed in Italy why didn't they change the script to have Sameer coming from Hungary? Apart from that, quite enjoyable. I think Indian films might be the only place where you'll find songs about limes! 
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mansi
Dancing in the chorus
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Post by mansi on Dec 9, 2013 2:18:09 GMT
^correction. It was a song about lemons ;D
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Post by ShantiSal on Dec 9, 2013 2:28:27 GMT
Lol, the subtitles was using 'limes' - at least they're both citrus fruit 
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Post by Ally Kumari on Dec 9, 2013 11:36:25 GMT
Satyagraha
While I believe it is important that flaws in society and hardships of everyday life should be adressed by popular media, Satyagraha gave me an unpleasant feeling that the art of cinema is being sacrificed for the intended message. You have to tell a story to share your thought and protest, and Satyagraha´s plot is very weak and unengaging. What good are good and great actors, if you cannot give them characters a viewer could connect with, support them or at least understand? There were too many of them to matter in the end, because none got a space significant enough to be revealed as truly complex or interesting. They all seemed shallow in the sense we are told who they are and what they think, but we are never really shown. Best example of the case would be probably Yasmine, played by Kareena Kapoor. The whole time I failed to understand her motivation. Not a single scene sheds light on her process of thinking or character traits. And her romantic interest in Ajay Devgn serves no purpose and only slows things down.
There are attempts at making the film mainstream (people bursting into songs, that unfortunatelly feel out of place) and symbolism (corpses dragged to the Gandhi statue in the square). But there are also unending speeches and lousy editing in parts.
Prakash Jha wanted to start a roaring fire, but I felt more like I was given a cup of lukewarm milk before falling asleep. The word for Satyagraha is "boring".
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Post by Ally Kumari on Dec 10, 2013 17:20:05 GMT
Kites
Not a bad film, but you know what? If I wanted to watch cinema like this, I wouldn´t watch Bollywood. Basically Kites is a wanna-be. Ambitious to succeed on international market and supressing everything that could possibly feel "bollywoodish" in a chase after western viewer´s aproval. They created a decent film with decent story and decent to good performances, but the film doesn´t have anything that would make it special or an experience.
The story of Kites needed to draw the viewer in. To make the audience fall in love with the love. But something is amiss and there is really no emotional connection between what is happening on the screen and what is happening in the minds of those watching. And when the climax comes, one actually feels cheated.
As I said, it is not a bad film. But disappointing still. And definitely not what one looks for in Indian cinema.
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shabanauk
Dancing in the chorus
Posts: 30
Favorite actor: Salman khan, Mithun, Aamir Khan and others
Favorite actress: Kareena, Madhuri Dixit, Kangana Ranaut
Upcoming release you're most excited about: Many of them
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Post by shabanauk on Dec 10, 2013 22:52:25 GMT
Hum tumare hai sanaam, it is not a bad film, I enjoyed it.
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misirloumasala
Dancing in the chorus
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Favorite actor: John Abraham
Favorite actress: Sridevi
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Post by misirloumasala on Dec 11, 2013 10:29:44 GMT
I'm watching Satyagraha at the moment. It's a political-social drama with Amitabh, Kareena and Ajay Devgn. I'm impressed with Ajay's acting. This is the first time I've seen him in a serious role.
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Post by ShantiSal on Dec 14, 2013 12:05:37 GMT
Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani
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Post by Ally Kumari on Dec 14, 2013 22:16:01 GMT
Once Upon a Time in Mumbai
Basically here is a bunch of actors I generally don´t care about or even dislike, under the direction of a man who made the overhyped Dirty picture.
I LOVED IT.
So much that I alraedy know I will hate the wanna-be sequel that I plan to watch next.
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John3b
Junior artiste

Just waiting for the next music item to start.....
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Post by John3b on Dec 15, 2013 1:12:57 GMT
Once Upon Ay Time in Mumbai Dobaara! Ok movie, we like all the main actors so of course we enjoyed seeing a movie with them. Akshay gets to be a bad guy with no redeeming qualities.
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Post by chrisanthi on Dec 15, 2013 10:55:41 GMT
David (Hindi) - The film was ok. Maybe I would have liked this more if I hadn't already seen the Tamil version which I really liked and prefer. I'm usually not too fond of Neil but he was very good here; I found his story to be the most interesting but a bit rushed.
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