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Post by sady on Jul 10, 2015 18:44:46 GMT
Rajeev Masand 4/5 Taran Adarsh 5/5 Filmibeat 3,5/5 Koimoi 4/5 Hindustan Times 2/5 Filmfare 4/5 ABP News 4/5 The Indian Express 4/5
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Post by Prem Rogue on Jul 16, 2015 14:21:17 GMT
Un-supering the hero: Reading status quo into fantasyPosted on July 15, 2015 by Bhoomika ‘They are selling for over five thousand rupees per ticket in black’, my brother’s voice crackled over the phone on a humid Sunday morning, ‘it crossed the fifty crore mark on the opening day’. I had not known until then that Bahubali is the most expensive film yet made in India except for my father’s insistence that we must go and watch the large-scale epic for his love of superheroes. I resisted, it sounded like the wrong combination – superheroes, C.G.Is, a hypermasculine title, and only gave in reluctantly due to the humidity and to mark a Sunday holiday. Right from the opening scene, my mind began wandering to try and identify the kind of ecosystem the plot was unfolding in. Soon enough, it occurred to me that it was futile to do so. The film was supposedly a tale of fantasy and its landscape would also be a fantastic one – there were jal parvats (mountains of water) from where the Ganga was flowing into its body in an abundant forest in what seemed like an area of tropical vegetation and temperature, however right at the peak of the jal parvat, the ambience vividly turns into one identifiably beyond the snowline with a curious mix of temperate grasslands. The architecture everywhere, however, remains true to classic Nagar shaili of Dravidian architecture. I had to let my mind wander in the spirit of fantastic imagination, restraining the impulse of either historicizing and in this particular case, geographizing the plot of the film. But fantasies, in so much as they render real the surreal may also take flight from the real and render subversion onto our cinematic imagination. While Bahubali holds out a promise only for the former, it also restricts the cinemascape by the limitations that it sets out with – limitations of a social imagination that it has neither the will nor the intent to challenge. Even as the story unravels in a fictional, almost mythical space, the substance for most of it constitutes not what may be alleged to be contemporaneously ‘real’ (though there is no way of knowing due to the opacity of the plot to any historicisation whatsoever) but what seems more like ‘desirable’ to the maker and to a large extent, to the viewer. Take for instance, the erotic element of the film. Avantika (Tamannah) leads a group of young men and women who have vowed to take back their state Mahishmati from the evil trap of the evil Bhallaldev (Rana Dagubatti) and free their queen from his clutches. The sequence that introduces the viewer to Avantika depicts her fighting and chasing enemy soldiers, skilled in the art of war and weaponry, living frugally and stoically, known for her discipline and determination while the superhero Bahubali watches her only to exclaim to himself in wonder at her prowess. He, however, refuses to see her in this form, he has long imagined her as a water nymph and has arrived into the scene of war chasing what he believes was her apparition dancing and seducing him. He actively denies her real form, that of a warrior. Soon enough, Bahubali begins a crusade to make Avantika realize her true form, that she is a ‘ladki’ and he a ‘ladka’ and that her essentially feminine form and beauty have been hidden from her for too long in her single minded pursuit to take back Mahishmati. In what is perhaps the most obtrusive dance sequence, he disrobes her to reveal her satin like innerwear, lets loose her hair, unfurls her warrior pants to make a skirt like garment and crushes wild berries to color her eyes in black and her lips in red and to top it all, spurt some blood from his thumb to mark a bindi between her eyebrows. Later, he tells her that she no longer needs to shoulder the responsibility of winning Mahishmati back, even though she may be have been identified to do so having led a life of discipline and commitment. He has arrived, and he will take over, and she lets him, without a word. For a staple and generic Indian movie plot, this should perhaps, by no means be objectionable. After all, the task of saving kingdoms in war and statecraft is essentially a masculine one and women’s role in doing so can only be an aberration and if granted any modicum of respect whatsoever, must be accompanied by that of maternal care giving, much like the status accorded to Sivagami, that of the Rajmaata. And she too is held in awe because of her husband’s physical disfiguration which makes him unfit to be a ruler in succession. Sivagami too denies the throne for the gendered claims of succession allow that it be occupied only by the one who is entitled to it. But again, none of this should be a matter of surprise for a Baahubali is essentially a male messiah figure and if female characters took over the tasks of skilled statecraft (Sivagami) and war (Avantika), there wouldn’t be much left for him to do. We must therefore set aside any expectation that a tale of fantasy may then conjure some fantastic norms of gender as well, and that if the film belies history, it should do it in its true sense. For the moment, even if we were to set aside the absolute historical faux pas that the film makes, I was initially intrigued and then dejected to look at the social canvas that the film weaves. One of the central characters that the film builds the narrative around is that of Katappa (Sathyaraj). From how the character is introduced in the film and from his self-description, it becomes clear that he is a low caste warrior slave to the throne of Mahishmati. ‘Anyone who is born into my family shall be a slave to the throne and I can’t disrupt that tradition’, declares Katappa with a stride of apparent pride to a Persian mercenary who wants to buy him his freedom from slavery. He therefore won’t sit and dine with the royals of the kingdom or with their guests but will (literally) take a bull by its horn to guard their life. When Katappa reveals the truth of Baahubali’s identity to him, he takes his foot and places it atop his head and the camera pans the silhouette of the upper caste prince resting his leg atop the head of the low caste slave warrior. Contrast this to the sense of fear and anxiety that is expressed when Baahubali uproots a shivalingam from its place of worship to put it beneath a waterfall. There is as, you may have guessed, a stark contrast. If one is therefore seeking a sense of social justice in the tale of a superhero, it only comes in the guise of the (not so) secular cathartic win of ‘good’ over ‘evil’. The second half of the film labours over a war sequence. Prior to that, the film digs itself another hole. As the plot unfolds in flashback, a traitor sells the secrets of Mahishmati’s defense to the evil (and dark) Kalikeya. Baahubali senior and Bhallaldev are entrusted with the task of finding out where the traitor has taken refuge, outside the perimeters of Mahishmati. Mahishmati appears to be a typically upper caste colony – and the region outside its boundary is not safe and a specific spot where the traitor is rumored to be hiding is seemingly a den for men of vices – gambling, soliciting sex and consuming alcohol. Guess what guise the two heroes put on at this point? A skullcap, a check scarf around their shoulders, kohl in their eyes and an amulet around their neck. You got it right, evidently a stereotyped Muslim male. Let’s come back to this, for the moment, let our wrath find way in the impending ridiculousity of the plot. Even before Kalikeya is introduced to us on the screen, we are told that he and his tribe are inhumane and barbaric, that if they were to attack Mahishmati, they would not spare the women and children in war, and that they would spell death and destruction. It is once you see Kalikeya on screen that you begin to make sense of why those premonitions about him sounded so ominous. Kalikeya and his army is dark, nay, black, a lot of them are disfigured grotesquely and their strength in war is their brutality, for unlike the skills in war and fine weaponry that Mahishmati has, their strength is their numbers and their simple weaponry of bows and arrows. Kalikeya and his generals speak a language that nobody but the traitor understands. That is where, once again, the filmmaker becomes a trap of his own limitations. Accepted that Kalikeya speaks a language that is alien to the residents of Mahishmati (who, for that matter, can be clearly understood by the audience), a language they have not heard before and for which they need the services of a translator. You have to see the film to realize that no effort whatsoever has gone into making Kalikeya’s speech alien but intelligent – at most point – it evokes a sense of comic gibberish, not without intent. Kalikeya, at this juncture in the plot becomes the cinematic representation of a ‘barbaric primitive tribe’, which looks and behaves grotesquely, prizes death and brutality, speaks gibberish and uses stones, bows and arrows for weapons while flouting rules of war and diplomacy. While Baahubali Sr. opposes animal sacrifice (slaughtering a calf as a pre war ritual) in a reformatory zeal to purge the upper caste order of his kingdom of violent rituals, he avenges insult on Kalikeya and his tribe with great force and power. Mahishmati embodied in Baahubali thus expels from its legitimate public sphere – the lower caste slaves, women, Muslims and tribal groups – with varying but certain degrees of power. It either portrays them as non-citizens or as undesirable ones at the best. For a tale of fantasy, that is a lot of status quo, covered by a lot of C.G.I and V.F.X.
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Post by dancelover on Jul 16, 2015 17:18:21 GMT
This review reads to me as if the reviewer is very disappointed that the movie varied so much from the movie that the reviewer desired. (Instead of reviewing the movie actually on screen.) Dancelover PS In our "What's latest movie watched" Thread bollywhat.boards.net/thread/42 Page 53 Post 7, Moviemavengal saw this movie rather differently. Un-supering the hero: Reading status quo into fantasyPosted on July 15, 2015 by Bhoomika ‘They are selling for over five thousand rupees per ticket in black’, my brother’s voice crackled over the phone on a humid Sunday morning, ‘it crossed the fifty crore mark on the opening day’. I had not known until then that Bahubali is the most expensive film yet made in India except for my father’s insistence that we must go and watch the large-scale epic for his love of superheroes. I resisted, it sounded like the wrong combination – superheroes, C.G.Is, a hypermasculine title, and only gave in reluctantly due to the humidity and to mark a Sunday holiday. Right from the opening scene, my mind began wandering to try and identify the kind of ecosystem the plot was unfolding in. Soon enough, it occurred to me that it was futile to do so. The film was supposedly a tale of fantasy and its landscape would also be a fantastic one – there were jal parvats (mountains of water) from where the Ganga was flowing into its body in an abundant forest in what seemed like an area of tropical vegetation and temperature, however right at the peak of the jal parvat, the ambience vividly turns into one identifiably beyond the snowline with a curious mix of temperate grasslands. The architecture everywhere, however, remains true to classic Nagar shaili of Dravidian architecture. I had to let my mind wander in the spirit of fantastic imagination, restraining the impulse of either historicizing and in this particular case, geographizing the plot of the film. But fantasies, in so much as they render real the surreal may also take flight from the real and render subversion onto our cinematic imagination. While Bahubali holds out a promise only for the former, it also restricts the cinemascape by the limitations that it sets out with – limitations of a social imagination that it has neither the will nor the intent to challenge. Even as the story unravels in a fictional, almost mythical space, the substance for most of it constitutes not what may be alleged to be contemporaneously ‘real’ (though there is no way of knowing due to the opacity of the plot to any historicisation whatsoever) but what seems more like ‘desirable’ to the maker and to a large extent, to the viewer. Take for instance, the erotic element of the film. Avantika (Tamannah) leads a group of young men and women who have vowed to take back their state Mahishmati from the evil trap of the evil Bhallaldev (Rana Dagubatti) and free their queen from his clutches. The sequence that introduces the viewer to Avantika depicts her fighting and chasing enemy soldiers, skilled in the art of war and weaponry, living frugally and stoically, known for her discipline and determination while the superhero Bahubali watches her only to exclaim to himself in wonder at her prowess. He, however, refuses to see her in this form, he has long imagined her as a water nymph and has arrived into the scene of war chasing what he believes was her apparition dancing and seducing him. He actively denies her real form, that of a warrior. Soon enough, Bahubali begins a crusade to make Avantika realize her true form, that she is a ‘ladki’ and he a ‘ladka’ and that her essentially feminine form and beauty have been hidden from her for too long in her single minded pursuit to take back Mahishmati. In what is perhaps the most obtrusive dance sequence, he disrobes her to reveal her satin like innerwear, lets loose her hair, unfurls her warrior pants to make a skirt like garment and crushes wild berries to color her eyes in black and her lips in red and to top it all, spurt some blood from his thumb to mark a bindi between her eyebrows. Later, he tells her that she no longer needs to shoulder the responsibility of winning Mahishmati back, even though she may be have been identified to do so having led a life of discipline and commitment. He has arrived, and he will take over, and she lets him, without a word. For a staple and generic Indian movie plot, this should perhaps, by no means be objectionable. After all, the task of saving kingdoms in war and statecraft is essentially a masculine one and women’s role in doing so can only be an aberration and if granted any modicum of respect whatsoever, must be accompanied by that of maternal care giving, much like the status accorded to Sivagami, that of the Rajmaata. And she too is held in awe because of her husband’s physical disfiguration which makes him unfit to be a ruler in succession. Sivagami too denies the throne for the gendered claims of succession allow that it be occupied only by the one who is entitled to it. But again, none of this should be a matter of surprise for a Baahubali is essentially a male messiah figure and if female characters took over the tasks of skilled statecraft (Sivagami) and war (Avantika), there wouldn’t be much left for him to do. We must therefore set aside any expectation that a tale of fantasy may then conjure some fantastic norms of gender as well, and that if the film belies history, it should do it in its true sense. For the moment, even if we were to set aside the absolute historical faux pas that the film makes, I was initially intrigued and then dejected to look at the social canvas that the film weaves. One of the central characters that the film builds the narrative around is that of Katappa (Sathyaraj). From how the character is introduced in the film and from his self-description, it becomes clear that he is a low caste warrior slave to the throne of Mahishmati. ‘Anyone who is born into my family shall be a slave to the throne and I can’t disrupt that tradition’, declares Katappa with a stride of apparent pride to a Persian mercenary who wants to buy him his freedom from slavery. He therefore won’t sit and dine with the royals of the kingdom or with their guests but will (literally) take a bull by its horn to guard their life. When Katappa reveals the truth of Baahubali’s identity to him, he takes his foot and places it atop his head and the camera pans the silhouette of the upper caste prince resting his leg atop the head of the low caste slave warrior. Contrast this to the sense of fear and anxiety that is expressed when Baahubali uproots a shivalingam from its place of worship to put it beneath a waterfall. There is as, you may have guessed, a stark contrast. If one is therefore seeking a sense of social justice in the tale of a superhero, it only comes in the guise of the (not so) secular cathartic win of ‘good’ over ‘evil’. The second half of the film labours over a war sequence. Prior to that, the film digs itself another hole. As the plot unfolds in flashback, a traitor sells the secrets of Mahishmati’s defense to the evil (and dark) Kalikeya. Baahubali senior and Bhallaldev are entrusted with the task of finding out where the traitor has taken refuge, outside the perimeters of Mahishmati. Mahishmati appears to be a typically upper caste colony – and the region outside its boundary is not safe and a specific spot where the traitor is rumored to be hiding is seemingly a den for men of vices – gambling, soliciting sex and consuming alcohol. Guess what guise the two heroes put on at this point? A skullcap, a check scarf around their shoulders, kohl in their eyes and an amulet around their neck. You got it right, evidently a stereotyped Muslim male. Let’s come back to this, for the moment, let our wrath find way in the impending ridiculousity of the plot. Even before Kalikeya is introduced to us on the screen, we are told that he and his tribe are inhumane and barbaric, that if they were to attack Mahishmati, they would not spare the women and children in war, and that they would spell death and destruction. It is once you see Kalikeya on screen that you begin to make sense of why those premonitions about him sounded so ominous. Kalikeya and his army is dark, nay, black, a lot of them are disfigured grotesquely and their strength in war is their brutality, for unlike the skills in war and fine weaponry that Mahishmati has, their strength is their numbers and their simple weaponry of bows and arrows. Kalikeya and his generals speak a language that nobody but the traitor understands. That is where, once again, the filmmaker becomes a trap of his own limitations. Accepted that Kalikeya speaks a language that is alien to the residents of Mahishmati (who, for that matter, can be clearly understood by the audience), a language they have not heard before and for which they need the services of a translator. You have to see the film to realize that no effort whatsoever has gone into making Kalikeya’s speech alien but intelligent – at most point – it evokes a sense of comic gibberish, not without intent. Kalikeya, at this juncture in the plot becomes the cinematic representation of a ‘barbaric primitive tribe’, which looks and behaves grotesquely, prizes death and brutality, speaks gibberish and uses stones, bows and arrows for weapons while flouting rules of war and diplomacy. While Baahubali Sr. opposes animal sacrifice (slaughtering a calf as a pre war ritual) in a reformatory zeal to purge the upper caste order of his kingdom of violent rituals, he avenges insult on Kalikeya and his tribe with great force and power. Mahishmati embodied in Baahubali thus expels from its legitimate public sphere – the lower caste slaves, women, Muslims and tribal groups – with varying but certain degrees of power. It either portrays them as non-citizens or as undesirable ones at the best. For a tale of fantasy, that is a lot of status quo, covered by a lot of C.G.I and V.F.X.
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Post by moviemavengal on Jul 16, 2015 17:54:25 GMT
Copying over from my post on the last movie watched thread: I just saw Baahubali and it is AMAZING!! OMG! Nish, my neighbor, had heard about Baahubali that is playing in Telugu at the theater five minutes from us, and asked if I'd be interested in seeing it. So we get to the theater, and it is $20! Twenty dollars for the ticket and it's not even IMAX or 3D! Nish mutters "it better be worth it" and is convinced we'll be by ourselves in the theater at that price on a Wed. night. Nope, the theater was filled up most of the way by the time the movie started. There was also an adorable trailer for the Kangana/Imran Khan movie coming out in Sept. Baahubali was EPIC. It was huge in scale like Gladiator or Lord of the Rings or something. The CGI scenes looked very good -- maybe not always Hollywood level, but you can tell from the trailer that there is just stunning imagination to the scenery and setups. I said Wow out loud more than once in the theater. Just stunning. There was one fight sequence in the snow, and there are trees and bushes covered in ice. As bad guys get thrown in to them-- gorgeous showers of snow and ice. There is a scene with a battle with a bull where there is even the initials C.G.I. in the corner -- just so you know the bull isn't really getting hurt, I guess. Never seen that before in a movie. Prabhas -- the actor who plays the hero is........words escape me he is so everything. Sweet at first, hot body, amazing action hero, tender lover, sexy as hell. He is just all that and a huge bag of chips.  The film opens as a mother is running away from soldiers and trying to save her baby. She seems brave and all, but I knew I was in for something really different when she pulls an arrow out of her back to stab a soldier, grabs his sword as he falls and stabs the next guy ..... all while holding a newborn in the other hand. That's the kind of over the top action with multiple kick ass women, too, as a cherry on top! She bargains with Shiva to save her baby's life, and later he discovers like Superman or something that he has special powers and super strength. Here he is lifting an entire stone idol to Shiva so his mom won't have to carry the water up the hill!  I have not seen another Telugu film, and Nish really hasn't either so she couldn't tell me if this was typical to have supernatural powers and all. Mikko, I am dying to talk to you about this movie and if all Telugu action movies are like this, because if they are, I can tell why you love them! Baahubali's love interest is a warrior. She is kick ass. The mother is kick ass as I mentioned above. And THEN, there is this queen mother who while holding a newborn pulls a dagger out of her sari and knifes a guy. Then calmly sits down on the throne, takes another infant, nurses both of them under her sari, and lays down her queenly law. It was awesome. And after huge battles and half the length of the movie flashbacks and all.....it ends on a huge cliffhanger because it is just THE BEGINNING. I cried out "Noooo!" Have to wait a year just like between Lord of the Rings movie for The Conclusion! To say I loved this movie would be a huge understatement. Nish and I both came out agreeing it was totally worth the $20! Heck, I'm probably going to go see it again! Five out of five stars for me.
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Post by moviemavengal on Jul 18, 2015 21:49:35 GMT
Beth Loves Bollywood makes many of the same points about the misogyny in the romantic story arc and the literal blackface of the primitive tribe depicted in the battle sequence. They were the orcs, to be sure. I still love it, flaws included. I cede that there are major flaws in the film, but I am still super excited that there were actual female characters, with agency, who were kickass in the film. Would it have been better if Avantika had not sprained her maidenly ankle, and had accompanied Sivudu to save the princess? Yes, in a perfect world. Did it serve a plot point for him to go on a solo hero journey, not being aware who he was really rescuing? Yes. I didn't mind the scene however, where he showed her that he saw her feminine beauty by painting her with beautiful tattoos, and put kohl on her eyes. Her rebel warrior group had frowned on any ornamentation or personal relationships, and he showed her there was more to life than duty and war. I guess you could argue he was marking ownership, but I liked how the tattoos on both their bodies fit together. It was a kind of courtship I have never seen in a film ever, and it was beautiful! My husband is a huge Lord of the Rings fan. I have seen ALL of those movies in extended versions plus many other fantasy films. Peter Jackson had to make shit up, to have more than one woman in those movies! It is RARE to have female warriors in fantasy stories like this, and to have THREE in the same film (plus the queen's female bodyguards). I was just overjoyed and ecstatic. Bollywood films are great, but frequently the female love interest has nothing to do but be saved. Tevar, anyone? Heck, Arjun sang about being Superman, but Baahubali IS Superman.
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Post by odadune on Jul 18, 2015 23:23:59 GMT
The love interests in South Indian films have the same problem (Tevar is a remake of a Telugu film, for instance), so I would say that Baahubali is an outlier all the way around.  Orcs are problematic in the source material-Tolkien even admitted it in later years-and Peter Jackson did not make them any less problematic. I had a bad feeling about the hostile tribe from the article Prem Rogue linked to, about the constructed language, but I would want to see it for myself to get a sense of whether the Indian filmmakers were bringing their own baggage, or (as in many depictions of Africans and Far East Asians) recycling caricatures they had seen elsewhere.
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Post by dancelover on Jul 20, 2015 17:44:13 GMT
Movie Maven Gal, Give your husband "Paladin of Souls" by Lois McMaster Bujold. Dancelover [snip - d] My husband is a huge Lord of the Rings fan.
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Post by dancelover on Jul 20, 2015 17:46:04 GMT
Why do Indians need to construct a new language for their films? They have plenty already in India to use! The hero kingdom speaks Telugu here, so let the Enemies speak Hindi! Dancelover The love interests in South Indian films have the same problem (Tevar is a remake of a Telugu film, for instance), so I would say that Baahubali is an outlier all the way around.  Orcs are problematic in the source material-Tolkien even admitted it in later years-and Peter Jackson did not make them any less problematic. I had a bad feeling about the hostile tribe from the article Prem Rogue linked to, about the constructed language, but I would want to see it for myself to get a sense of whether the Indian filmmakers were bringing their own baggage, or (as in many depictions of Africans and Far East Asians) recycling caricatures they had seen elsewhere.
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Post by odadune on Jul 24, 2015 0:34:09 GMT
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Post by moviemavengal on Jul 27, 2015 0:28:03 GMT
MikkoSince you have seen so many Telugu films, can you tell me (and the rest of us) -- how is Baahubali like other Telugu films, and what is extraordinary about it. It was my first, and I've seen it twice and I'm still thinking about it. It was like a fantasy film plus a romance plus a historical war epic all wrapped up in one. I gather super powers for heroes are not uncommon in South Indian films, but the scope of this film seems to be something beyond and truly special. I will see Magadheera, but haven't yet. I remember you mentioning that was your first Telugu film. How does Baahubali compare with that film and its use of a historical flashback? Is that a common device or something more unique to director Rajamouli? Thanks in advance.
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Post by odadune on Jul 27, 2015 3:31:33 GMT
Mikko will know more, I'm sure, but historical and quasi-historical settings are rare among modern Telugu films. Magadheera begins in the present day, with a fairly standard roguish young guy/cute girl stalker romance of a type you have probably seen before, with some flashbacky moments (I believe similar to what Shahrukh experiences in the second half of Om Shanti Om), then around intermission, the hero has a near-death experience, then there is an Ancient Times story about the "past lives" of the lovers and the villain, told at more length before the story moves back to the present and the hero finishes the job his Ancient Times analogue failed to do.
Wuxia/wirefu style float-jumping, superstrength, near-indestructibility and bad guys floating through the air when punched are perfectly normal in South Indian action movies. There are occasionally movies that suggest that the hero is divinely favored, but most don't bother to explain it anymore than a romance movie explains love at first sight or random fantasy dance numbers. It is a storytelling convention, that some movies do very well and some do not.
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Post by Mikko on Jul 27, 2015 11:42:00 GMT
moviemavengalYes, historical and fantasy Telugu films are very rare these days. The scale and grandeur of Baahubali is something I haven't seen anywhere else. The closest thing in modern Telugu cinema is maybe the 1 hour long flashback of Magadheera. Baahubali is just much longer. I've heard that some old Telugu films might be like that but I haven't yet seen anything older than 1988 in Telugu. Magadheera was my first Telugu film and it has remained as my favourite. Baahubali is very close but I'll have to wait for the second part before I can say if it's better. There are some similarities between Baahubali and modern Telugu films. They just usually don't happen in the historical/fantasy context. For example, long flashbacks are very common but usually they are set only a couple of months or years before the main story so that the hero can be played by the same actor. It's also not so uncommon that the flashback goes a few decades into the history, and in that case the same actor is usually playing the role of his father or grandfather just like in Baahubali. Also, the romance between Shivudu and Anathika remind me of many other Telugu film romances: the man stalks the woman and eventually the woman falls in love with the man. And then there was an item song which is very common in Telugu films. But Baahubali doesn't have all the nearly compulsory things that other Telugu films have. Most notably, there are no "comedy uncles" which usually don't have anything to do with the main plot. Sometimes they may be funny but often they aren't, or at least the subtitles fail to forward the funniness to a non-Telugu speaker. You will see an example of this when you watch Magadheera: the uncle living in Indu's neigborhood is Brahmanandam who has played a similar role in more than a thousand Telugu films. Telugu films are also often full of references to other Telugu (or Indian) films but I couldn't find any example of these in Baahubali. The references can be funny, but also a little confusing if the watcher hasn't seen the film that they are referring to. I was surprised that there wasn't a fly flying around Sudeep in his short appearance as the weapon merchant in Baahubali.  Who knows, maybe Telugu cinema will make more historical or fantasy films now that Baahubali was so succesful. In 2011 they made a fantasy film Anaganaga O Dheerudu (with Disney!) but that wasn't very successful. There is a new historical film Rudhramadevi (starring Anushka, Rana, Allu Arjun) releasing in September, and Tamil cinema is making a fantasy film called Puli, but I don't expect them to be nearly as good as Baahubali.
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Post by moviemavengal on Jul 27, 2015 11:54:49 GMT
Thanks Mikko and odadune for your comments! Adding to the discussion of the differences between Telugu, Tamil and Hindi films, I just found this discussion between Karan Johar and S. S. Rajamouli. Karan asks him that very question about midway:
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