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Post by odadune on Dec 4, 2013 3:24:27 GMT
(Filmed and released simultaneously in Tamil and Telugu; Telugu title is Varna.)
Wikipedia describes this as a "planetary romance", with a mundane love story going on in Tamil Nadu, a more exotic one involving lookalikes for the main couple going on in another, more barbaric world, and possibly other worlds beyond that being involved. Basically its closest relative in recent cinema is probably Disney's John Carter of Mars movie, although Irandam Ulagam seems to have been more successful so far. We had a brief thread for it going on in the old forum, but the release happened about the same time as the move to this forum, so I don't know if anyone got to see it at the theaters: www.bollywhat-forum.com/index.php?topic=33484.0
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Post by shushpuppy on Jan 5, 2014 2:15:31 GMT
I have been excited and curious about this movie since I saw the trailers. I was really excited to see that einthusan.com had it with subs, so I happily sat down and subjected myself to 149 mins of wtfery. The trailers don't really give the story line. There are two love story lines in two different worlds, that eventually coalesce. One world is the regular one of South India and the second world is an exotic fantasy primitive planet.
There are good things about the film. First off, Selvaraghavan, the director and writer of the film has a fabulous imagination and a lot of creativity. The visuals for the fantasy world are great. But the film totally fails. I wanted to like it, but the plot and the acting, random white people, and the horrible black wig that Arya sometimes wears are just too much. The Arya and Anushka characters in the fantasy world are totally one dimensional and unsympathetic. I'm not buying Anushk'a Varna as a great female warrior act one bit. The Arya and Anushka in the regular world are marginally better, at least their story line in India makes sense; Anushka is Ramya a shy doctor infauated with Madhu (Arya) a great guy who is complete clueless about girls.
I read a line from one reviewer that summarized it: "It’s a love story without a shred of genuine passion." Somehow the two couples in the film fail to connect with the audience and lack chemistry. Now personally I like Arya and Anushka as actors, and I have liked films that they have done, so I don't think it's their fault. Another reviewer made the comment that the film was ahead of it's time. This could have been a good film had Selvaraghavan focused on good story, good characters first, then amazing visual effects last.
I am not sorry that I watched it, just really disappointed that it didn't deliver.
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Post by odadune on Jan 5, 2014 5:05:26 GMT
That sounds a lot like my experience with that archaeological adventure movie Selvaraghavan did with Karthi, so I'm not entirely surprised. Bummer though-I was hoping he had somehow managed to get his act together.
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Post by shushpuppy on Jan 5, 2014 19:11:22 GMT
That sounds a lot like my experience with that archaeological adventure movie Selvaraghavan did with Karthi, so I'm not entirely surprised. Bummer though-I was hoping he had somehow managed to get his act together. Well, just watch a few minutes and see what you think.... What was the other movie with Karthi called?
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Post by odadune on Jan 5, 2014 20:52:12 GMT
That sounds a lot like my experience with that archaeological adventure movie Selvaraghavan did with Karthi, so I'm not entirely surprised. Bummer though-I was hoping he had somehow managed to get his act together. Well, just watch a few minutes and see what you think.... What was the other movie with Karthi called? This was it...I have alot of trouble with Tamil film titles... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aayirathil_Oruvan_(2010_film)
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Post by shushpuppy on Jan 5, 2014 21:15:48 GMT
So I was reading about Aayirathil Oruvan in the link on wiki and it sounds like this director has a different vision of films than the normal mainstream, but somehow doesn't manage to pull off his ideas. Odadune, did you think it was worth watching? I watched Irandam Ulagam because I really like Arya and Anushka. I have never actually seen a film with Karthik in it. I much prefer Suriya.
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Post by odadune on Jan 6, 2014 2:34:36 GMT
This has been a couple years now, so I don't remember Aayirathal Oruvan very clearly-it takes a long time to assemble the members of the expedition (including the anti-hero, who's some kind of rowdy or blue collar worker who kind of blunders into things), then there's some exploring and some regional political violence, and then there's some lost civilization stuff with some mildly interesting sword and sandal type action and some nastier violence and political intrigue. I found it aggravating in terms of who it chooses to side with and its general incoherence, and parts of it are hard to watch, in terms of violence, sexism, and general grimness (there's an implied rape IIRC but it is not shown). I didn't regret watching it, because I haven't seen anything else quite like it, and the female performances are good but I hesitate to recommend it to other people.
Karthik's character is kind of a jerk through most of the film (this seems to be an intentional choice by Selvagharan), and although I found him likable enough in the parts where he wasn't, I didn't develop an urgent need to see anything else with him.
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Post by John3b on Jan 14, 2014 3:17:14 GMT
Watched this streaming this weekend, had high hopes after watching the official trailers. We liked it a lot, I can see where it could have been put together better, but we like Arya and especially Anushka a lot, and we enjoyed them in this. The fantasy CGI still has an unfortunate SyFy/Chiller look to it, but we liked the story and both world's jodis just fine.
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Post by odadune on Mar 25, 2014 13:44:34 GMT
I ended up fastforwarding a lot of the "real world" scenes because I just found the situation between the two romantic leads very uncomfortable to watch. The weird faux-Euro-medieval vibe of the second world makes more sense if you're familiar with the old school Errol Flynn-meets-the-Arabian-Nights style swashbucklers that Bollywood and Kollywood used to do (and which the director referenced briefly in Aayirathil Oruvan). Basically, the second world stuff is like that but with the references to Middle Eastern culture stripped out, perhaps to make it more exotic. The decision to Europeanize the second world (which is kind of this walking, heavy-handed parable about male dominated societies) may also be an effort to dodge the kind of controversy that Aayirathil Oruvan stirred up, with its portrayal of the ancient Chola and Pandya dynasties.
The idea that True Love cannot exist in the second world without Madhu (hero of the real world storyline) to teach it to his local counterpart and his love interest's local counterpart, is an interesting one, but the scenes of Madhu following Ramya around in India and generally not taking no for an answer, kind of undercut that. The portrayal of women's oppressed situation in the second world was also awkward; it alternated between the kind of stylized, "women are chattel here but we're not going to get into the sordid details" portrayal you would expect from a bunch of RenFaire fugitives wandering around in a vaguely psychedelic landscape, and an uncomfortably blunt tone (although still pretty PG/PG-13) that the film as a whole hadn't really earned the right to use. I was so delighted by Arya/Anushka's brief "battle couple" moments in the second world that I was deeply annoyed when the film decided that True Love meant that she should put up her sword and let him handle the fighting.
There are a handful of scenes that live up to the otherworldliness of the title: notably the fight with the manticore, Madhu's travels from one world to another, his encounter with what most viewers will recognize as a ghost long before Madhu himself catches on, and almost anything involved the second world's "goddess", a (badly dubbed) firang woman who does a good job of selling the alienness of her character, even if she ends up being a pretty literal deus ex machina. The scenery of the second world is also effective at being weird and "Other", even if it's a series of comparatively obvious tricks like funky colored grass and skies, multiple moons (and suns?) and random glowing mushrooms. I also liked our brief glimpse of the "third world", which resembled the cover art to a 70s rock album.
Arya and Anushka gave pretty good performances with the material they were given, although the scenes where Anushka was channeling Helena Bonham-Carter in playing Varna, her second-world character were kind of odd. I thought the film did a fair job of setting up why Varna was such a distrustful loner, but was less good at making the case that she ought to "lighten up" where her husband was concerned. The two leads didn't have great chemistry (although you could argue that was consistent with the plot), and I find Arya's screen persona kind of...bratty? in a way that didn't help reconcile me to his often unlikable characters in this. But I've seen way worse in that regard in other movies.
I have trouble recommending this to other people, due to the well-intentioned but unfortunate portrayal of the misogynistic second world, the garden variety sexism of the real world scenes, the slow and awkwardly constructed plot, the kitschy production values, the weak song picturizations. But it is perhaps an interesting failure rather than a straightforwardly bad movie. I think ultimately the problem is that this is a story that begs for a director who can sell that super stylized, operatic and rather morbid vision of True Love capable of crossing worlds-it needs to be Devdas/HDCCS, and instead it ends up as a kind of humor-impaired Princess Bride, with the kind of muted, world-weary romanticism that implies. I would be curious to see Sanjay Leela Bhansali remake it, either directing himself or riding herd on a visually interesting director who's a bit more sensitive about women than Selvagharan seems to be. (I don't see the Vedam director submitting to SLB and Shabina Khan a second time after he finishes Gabbar, but he would be good at this sort of thing).
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Post by odadune on Feb 11, 2015 2:42:41 GMT
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