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Post by vanillasky on Nov 23, 2013 23:21:15 GMT
Why Do You Care if Critics Hate the Movies You Like?
Why do you have to listen to their craps and all those 4 or 5 Star business?
Honestly, I do not think current film critics of Bollywood are enough educated to talk about films- I think they should not be calling themself a critics of films. These self proclaimed critics dont know the language of cinema and they are critics.
To me it does not bother me which film got 5 or 4 stars. If I like a films trailor I will go and see the films but not on the based of film critks.
I advised all cinema lovers dont just psot any criticks reviews of films as they get paid to write some craps.
If you like a movie go and see the film. This self claim critics are so un-educated.
I ant them to make a movie and lets see if they are able to take the criticism.
Regards....
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victoria
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Post by victoria on Nov 25, 2013 3:14:12 GMT
I (partially) disagree. A lot of Bollywood film critics are either on the take or totally unqualified (&cough*Taran Adarsh*cough*), but generally speaking, the job of the critic is to be more educated in film and film analysis than the average movie goer (and ideally, far less biased). You don't have to agree with them, but the good ones are trained to evaluate every aspect of a film, from performances to direction to cinematography and everything in between. I'd trust a film critic more than I would trust the word of a lot of people I know, especially when it comes to Bollywood films where biases about certain movie stars are so incredibly strong that it colors the way a lot of people watch a film.
Also, a lot of bad movies become huge hits. The fact that people go to see them doesn't make them technically "good" and critics are supposed to be able to see through all the media and PR BS and tell you what the real deal is. Their individual tastes come into play, sure, but I can at least trust that they're paying more attention to all of a film's individual aspects than your Average Joe. And if they discourage even a handful of people from handing over their hard earned money to see a film that the makers couldn't be arsed to put an ounce of effort into making, then hey, that's a positive thing in my book.
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Post by Prem Rogue on Nov 25, 2013 5:50:07 GMT
I ant them to make a movie and lets see if they are able to take the criticism.
If this line of reasoning were true, most of us wouldn't have opinions on food, politics, music, art, etc. since we can't do those things as well as the professionals. And good criticism isn't easy to write either. You are correct that most Indian film critics aren't educated enough to talk about films. I'll add that most are mediocre writers. Baradwaj Rangan is the only reviewer I read regularly, since he's a good writer, and his tastes are similar to mine. He actually considers a film as a whole, not just listing off cinematography, music, etc. and tepidly describing them. Even when I disagree with him he's entertaining. Sometimes he will make me notice aspects of a film I hadn't thought about. And its rare that he writes a film off entirely, often praising aspects of a film that ultimately didn't work for him. Occasionally I read Karan Bali's reviews on Upper Stall, and a few cinema blogs. How would I like a movie if I haven't seen it?  Most of us have limited time and money. Unless it's a film I'm hell-bent on seeing no matter what (due to the director or the trailer or whatever), I'll read reviews from critics and non-critics I trust (like the ones on this forum) to reduce the risk of watching something I'm going to hate. Some reviews make me want to see films I wasn't particularly planning on seeing or wasn't aware of. |
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Post by gulfam on Nov 25, 2013 13:28:49 GMT
I (partially) disagree. A lot of Bollywood film critics are either on the take or totally unqualified (&cough*Taran Adarsh*cough*), but generally speaking, the job of the critic is to be more educated in film and film analysis than the average movie goer (and ideally, far less biased). You don't have to agree with them, but the good ones are trained to evaluate every aspect of a film, from performances to direction to cinematography and everything in between. I'd trust a film critic more than I would trust the word of a lot of people I know, especially when it comes to Bollywood films where biases about certain movie stars are so incredibly strong that it colors the way a lot of people watch a film. Also, a lot of bad movies become huge hits. The fact that people go to see them doesn't make them technically "good" and critics are supposed to be able to see through all the media and PR BS and tell you what the real deal is. Their individual tastes come into play, sure, but I can at least trust that they're paying more attention to all of a film's individual aspects than your Average Joe. And if they discourage even a handful of people from handing over their hard earned money to see a film that the makers couldn't be arsed to put an ounce of effort into making, then hey, that's a positive thing in my book. I agree, however there are large amount of people (just look at their twitter followers) who read and respect the opinions of the ''big'' critics such as Taran Adarsh and Komal Natha, who let their love for mainstream masala films affect their ability to provide a good and unbiased review, they give 4-5 stars to movies that other (better) critics would normally give 2-3 stars. I believe that the two aforementioned reviewers should stick to box office analysis as it seems that's what they are more passionate about. It almost seems as if they only give good reviews to movies that are doing really well at the box office. Not just that but has anyone noticed the amount of spoilers in some of these reviews (*Komal Natha*) they explain the entire story and then tell you what they liked and disliked about it. I understand that you can have spoiler filled reviews, but if you're trying to persuade people to go see a certain film, telling them the entire plot doesn't exactly help accomplish that. |
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Post by victoria on Nov 25, 2013 15:22:11 GMT
There's a dearth of good writing in Indian film journalism in general, the standards don't seem terribly high even for trade magazines or sites like Box Office India. Ideally, the standard should be raised all around, but there seems to be a split especially among critics between those who are fans of the popular masala films and genuinely consider that "good" filmmaking because it's entertaining, and those who are more educated about world cinema and its standards. But the industry is split that way as well, you have filmmakers who genuinely think Dabangg is genius filmmaking and those who think it's total rubbish, so what can you do?
Times of India recently said they were going to stop reporting box office figures because filmmakers were intentionally inflating the numbers. I wish publications would hold their critics to the same standards, because you hear all the time about people being paid for reviews (and I genuinely believe that happens) yet nothing is ever done about it.
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Post by corbie on Nov 25, 2013 15:51:45 GMT
I love a lot of movies that the reviewers didn't like and just really didn't like a lot of critically acclaimed "must watch" Hated Mother India, Guide, and Lagaan! I usually don't much read the reviews before hand. Just go and get surprised one way or the other. Of course this can lead to some interesting experiences. I thought Sophie's Choice was going to be a romantic comedy. I do look a bit more carefully since then, but still don't read reviews. I will read the synopsis of a film and go from there. American reviewers will love every movie no matter how many buildings are destroyed and go by the amount of super heroism there is and Indian reviewers are harsh and seem to hate everything. I read them after a lot of the times.
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Post by gulfam on Nov 25, 2013 20:37:01 GMT
I love a lot of movies that the reviewers didn't like and just really didn't like a lot of critically acclaimed "must watch" Hated Mother India, Guide, and Lagaan! I usually don't much read the reviews before hand. Just go and get surprised one way or the other. Of course this can lead to some interesting experiences. I thought Sophie's Choice was going to be a romantic comedy. I do look a bit more carefully since then, but still don't read reviews. I will read the synopsis of a film and go from there. American reviewers will love every movie no matter how many buildings are destroyed and go by the amount of super heroism there is and Indian reviewers are harsh and seem to hate everything. I read them after a lot of the times. I would like to see someone like Taran Adarsh review an acclaimed Hollywood movie, or even a superhero blockbuster movie such as The Avengers. |
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Post by Prem Rogue on Nov 26, 2013 6:08:54 GMT
I usually don't much read the reviews before hand. Just go and get surprised one way or the other. Of course this can lead to some interesting experiences. I thought Sophie's Choice was going to be a romantic comedy. Corbie, this made me laugh out loud!  American critics often dislike the big CGI blockbusters. The Transformers films are mostly buildings being destroyed and the critics pilloried them. They also disliked Battleship, The Green Lantern, X-Men Wolverine, Man of Steel, and others I'm sure I'm forgetting. You can look them up on Rotten Tomatoes. |
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